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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:42 pm
Some rare sense on today's Theresa May's Skripal statements from Alex Vassiliev, Russian journalist, writer, and espionage historian living in London who is a subject matter expert in the Soviet KGB and Russian SVR. He was also a former KGB officer:pic.twitter.com/0uFRLdYRcm
— Robin Monotti Graziadei (@robinmonotti) 5. září 2018
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:57 pm
>>Russia has apparently developed an astonishing new technology
enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space
at precisely the same time. Twisted Evil>>
It was all explained by the police already. They were walking together and there are two exit gates, they each took a separate gate rather than queue behind each other, as is totally normal. Is very plausible they were filmed at the same time. If it was fake, it would have to have been a very outrageously stupid fake to photoshop the same time!
enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space
at precisely the same time. Twisted Evil>>
It was all explained by the police already. They were walking together and there are two exit gates, they each took a separate gate rather than queue behind each other, as is totally normal. Is very plausible they were filmed at the same time. If it was fake, it would have to have been a very outrageously stupid fake to photoshop the same time!
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:35 pm
messytan wrote:>>Russia has apparently developed an astonishing new technology
enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space
at precisely the same time. Twisted Evil>>
It was all explained by the police already. They were walking together and there are two exit gates, they each took a separate gate rather than queue behind each other, as is totally normal. Is very plausible they were filmed at the same time. If it was fake, it would have to have been a very outrageously stupid fake to photoshop the same time!
Not more stupid than use The Rock movie plot to back invasion of Iraq.
As I wrote earlier - even if there are exactly same exits then it is quite curious that the two different persons, laterly accused of some very exotic assassination plot, are in two different exits at exactly same point of the corridor at exacly same time. I mean, how big are chances... Moreover, Telegraph (and other msm outlets as well) claimed that photos were taken at 3pm. The most of msm outlets published cropped photos where timestamps were not vissible and so on.
Then we have here this little bottle that allegedly contained the nerve agent. How long it took between Skripal's poisoning and Rowley's discovery of the bottle? Two months I guess. Trash cans were not emptied through this perriod? How comes he described the box as new-looking, sealed in cellophane, if it was already used by the two suspects two months ago and was it for almost two months in a trash can (or elsewhere in a park)? None of this make sense at all.
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:51 pm
KneelB4Zod! wrote:Not more stupid than use The Rock movie plot to back invasion of Iraq.
I know it seems crazy but same as when F1 car go around a 5 mile track to the same THOUSANDTH of a second! Calling it a "corridor" is perhaps misleading, it is so short. Too men who know each other (perhaps highly trained) walking together, perhaps in lock-step. It may take 2 or 3 seconds to pass the corridor and they arrive the other side together. The cameras will be centrally controlled (not like in say a shop) so the clock will be maintained correctly. Not inconceivable for the same time. Just my opinion!
It was actually nearly 4 months between the Skripals attack and the bottle being found. It was in a charity box of items waiting for the charity to put items up for sale. It can be called a bin but it is not like a rubbish bin that gets emptied.
As for the silence of the Skripals, there are multiple D-notices in place for their protection and national security.
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:22 pm
messytan wrote:KneelB4Zod! wrote:Not more stupid than use The Rock movie plot to back invasion of Iraq.
I know it seems crazy but same as when F1 car go around a 5 mile track to the same THOUSANDTH of a second! Calling it a "corridor" is perhaps misleading, it is so short. Too men who know each other (perhaps highly trained) walking together, perhaps in lock-step. It may take 2 or 3 seconds to pass the corridor and they arrive the other side together. The cameras will be centrally controlled (not like in say a shop) so the clock will be maintained correctly. Not inconceivable for the same time. Just my opinion!
It was actually nearly 4 months between the Skripals attack and the bottle being found. It was in a charity box of items waiting for the charity to put items up for sale. It can be called a bin but it is not like a rubbish bin that gets emptied.
As for the silence of the Skripals, there are multiple D-notices in place for their protection and national security.
Personally I really don't believe that there is anything else, behind this charade, than another very weakly pre-scripted plot to spread histeria, rise spport for sanctions and probable military conflict. As we all have seen unpteenth times before. One thing should be kept on mind - the very same military, police and intelligence agencies, the very same politicians and journalists, who were behind lies about Iraq or Libya or Syria, are behind this informations as well. To me the whole this story looks very suspicious, rather ridiculous, and I don't buy it at all.
From timig through very exotic way of assassination attempt to identities of suspects, all of this is truly shady. Even small details or way of investigation. As our security expert, Andor Šándor noted, the story is very dubious and, for example, removal of park benches after one month or so was nothing else, than theatre for journalists and public audience.
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:32 pm
KneelB4Zod! wrote:removal of park benches after one month or so was nothing else, than theatre for journalists and public audience.
Not to mention just recently also burying ambulances and police cars (but apparently not the helpicopter
) in landfill sites to much uproar of local residents. The restaurant and pub remain closed.Situation will be discussed at UN Security Countil meeting today, expected to get heated.
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:36 pm
Does this woman hold the key to finding Salisbury 'assassins'? Novichok suspect had ONE friend on Facebook - a Ukrainian woman he met five years ago in a cafe in Prague
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6135859/Novichok-suspect-ONE-friend-Facebook-Ukrainian-woman-met-five-years-ago-Prague.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6135859/Novichok-suspect-ONE-friend-Facebook-Ukrainian-woman-met-five-years-ago-Prague.html
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:06 pm
Russian Market@russian_market · 2 min.
U.K. ALLIES BACK BRITISH ASSESSMENT ON RUSSIAN SPY POISONING
U.K. ALLIES BACK BRITISH ASSESSMENT ON RUSSIAN SPY POISONING
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:07 pm
Joint statement giving "full confidence" support to UK from France, Germany, Canada and US issued.
Link for UN Security Council meeting to discuss Novichok. Timing not precise but expected within half hour after discussing Haiti.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1xPBmM9BdE
or
http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/security-council-the-question-concerning-haiti-8342nd-meeting.-2-the-attack-in-salisbury-on-4-march-8343rd-meeting/5690582060001
Meanwhile:
Tory MP says Putin must expect strong retaliation to "war-live-act".
World War 3 THREAT: 'We must hit where it hurts!' Tory MP warns Putin of Salisbury PAYBACK
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1013907/World-War-3-threat-latest-Novichok-Salisbury-Russia-Vladimir-Putin-update-video
Link for UN Security Council meeting to discuss Novichok. Timing not precise but expected within half hour after discussing Haiti.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1xPBmM9BdE
or
http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/security-council-the-question-concerning-haiti-8342nd-meeting.-2-the-attack-in-salisbury-on-4-march-8343rd-meeting/5690582060001
Meanwhile:
Tory MP says Putin must expect strong retaliation to "war-live-act".
World War 3 THREAT: 'We must hit where it hurts!' Tory MP warns Putin of Salisbury PAYBACK
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1013907/World-War-3-threat-latest-Novichok-Salisbury-Russia-Vladimir-Putin-update-video
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:46 pm
messytan wrote:UN meeting now.
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:51 pm
Traces of novichok found in the hotel room where the suspects stayed and other guests are only now being told to contact authorities.
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:55 pm
Of course. I mean their direct flights to London, from Moscow, on Aeroflot, were highly likely personally booked by #Putin himself. But #Skripals were highly likely a decoy for the real target of Sturgess/Rowley, as Putin escalated his war on the junkies of Wiltshire.Right https://t.co/jGYk2pyOhh
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:01 pm
Notice the UK said the Skripals "are recovering" so therefore they are not fully recovered as much as previously indicated, after 6 months.
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:17 pm
China saying UK and Russia should talk it out peacefully. Kazakhstan saying there is not enough evidence to "jump to conclusions. 
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:20 pm
Ethiopia too, "not enough information". Haley's going to go off on one
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:40 pm
Nikki talking. Russia finially finished as they say they will respond to security threats "robustly".
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:43 pm
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:10 pm
Thanks for summary, I was on my way home.
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by Libertine Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:19 pm
I don't know, if I was a brit I'd be more worried about the fact it took the investigators a month to find a bottle of perfum on the counter of a victims home. What a lot of hogwash and bullshit this whole thing.
An assassin would not make two visits. He/she only need one.
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:30 pm
The strange part for me was at the end, the UK spokesperson said "they have not assumed the Russians are guilty .... but have done an investigation....." and then "posed an interesting question for the Russian authorities so to whether the GRU operatives were incompetent ...... or rogue". So after everything that has been said there is still a question about it being rogue !!!
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:32 am
Now they want us to believe the 2 alleged Russians accused of Salisbury poisoning went window shopping to get their faces on another camera after supposedly smearing #Novichok on #Skripal's front door handle.
— Ian56 (@Ian56789) 6. září 2018
How much more ridiculous can it get?#FalseFlagpic.twitter.com/AG9Ks8jP49
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:29 pm
The Russian Connection @TRC_Russia · 1 min.
Maria Zakharova: The UK has turned the UNSC into a ''Theatre of the Absurd''
She further commented that Russia has been forced to publish formal requests after the UK's unwillingness to cooperate on the Skripal case.
#Russia #UNSC #Skripal
Maria Zakharova: The UK has turned the UNSC into a ''Theatre of the Absurd''
She further commented that Russia has been forced to publish formal requests after the UK's unwillingness to cooperate on the Skripal case.
#Russia #UNSC #Skripal
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:48 pm
Speaking yesterday, GCHQ director Jeremy Fleming described the threat from Russia as “real” and “active”, vowing to “deploy the full range of tools” against the Kremlin.
World on EDGE: Britain plots REVENGE over Russia for Salisbury Novichok attack
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1014370/novichok-salisbury-russia-uk-ghqc-jeremy-fleming
World on EDGE: Britain plots REVENGE over Russia for Salisbury Novichok attack
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1014370/novichok-salisbury-russia-uk-ghqc-jeremy-fleming
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:52 pm
Alec Luhn
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Ticket details obtained by the Telegraph show Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov made at least six separate trips to Geneva...Whitehall sources said establishing who they met in Geneva was now “absolutely key to the ongoing investigation” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/07/russian-hitmen-spent-weeks-geneva-nerve-agent-attack-sergei/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … @telegraphnews
@ASLuhn
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Ticket details obtained by the Telegraph show Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov made at least six separate trips to Geneva...Whitehall sources said establishing who they met in Geneva was now “absolutely key to the ongoing investigation” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/07/russian-hitmen-spent-weeks-geneva-nerve-agent-attack-sergei/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … @telegraphnews
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by messytan Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:04 pm
The press seem to already know a lot about family connections, despite only aliases been released. (Apparently real names were released to UK alies before the UN meeting yesterday)
A man believed to be the grandfather of one of the Novichok spies was a commander in Josef Stalin’s notorious “death to spies” 'SMERSH' unit, it has emerged.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sinister-past-novichok-assassins-grandfather-13200438
A man believed to be the grandfather of one of the Novichok spies was a commander in Josef Stalin’s notorious “death to spies” 'SMERSH' unit, it has emerged.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sinister-past-novichok-assassins-grandfather-13200438
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Re: Amesbury/Salisbury incident
by KneelB4Zod! Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:10 pm
messytan wrote:The press seem to already know a lot about family connections, despite only aliases been released. (Apparently real names were released to UK alies before the UN meeting yesterday)
A man believed to be the grandfather of one of the Novichok spies was a commander in Josef Stalin’s notorious “death to spies” 'SMERSH' unit, it has emerged.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sinister-past-novichok-assassins-grandfather-13200438
From yesterday - Main News Topic:
Nuke68 wrote:Sinister past of Russian Novichok assassin's 'grandfather' who was commander in Stalin’s notorious “death to spies” army
"Alexander Petrov grandfather Ivan Starchenko served under Stalin as a commander of SMERSH - which was also the name of the Russia spy team in James Bond classic From Russia With Love"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sinister-past-novichok-assassins-grandfather-13200438
This James Bond part is extremely interesting...
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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