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Post by Tamonten on Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:07 pm

E-V13 wrote:I see. Thanks for the answer.

You are welcome.
Mostly the real answer is the combination of both I've given:
Treacherous Western elite is to blame... and the large chunk of Russian elite of the time - those who considered themselves to be a part of the same Western elite and imitated them. Often even the supposedly autocratic Tsar was virtually powerless against views almost everyone in his court shared.

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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:06 am

Recently I stumbled over this quite funny article:

"Why Kremlin fears shaman Gabyshev"

or "Can Russian secret services read human's subconscious? Historic spoke out"

http://www.msn.com/cs-cz/zpravy/zahraniční/ruské-tajné-služby-umí-číst-lidské-podvědomí-historik-promluvil/ar-AAI3FN1?ocid=spartandhp

The article doesn't make much sense, it quotes The Moscow Times and analysis of historic named Pavel Aptekar.

Overall it claims that secret services and Russian leaders take seriously occultic practices and this is why they fear selfproclaimed "shaman", who is now under arrest.

I noted this story reminded by some Russian sources that I follow, usually it was source of fun.

I find it quite bizzare that western media, and their local branches, give obvious importance to such funny story.

What's your opinion regarding this?

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Post by Tamonten on Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:26 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Recently I stumbled over this quite funny article:

"Why Kremlin fears shaman Gabyshev"

or "Can Russian secret services read human's subconscious? Historic spoke out"

http://www.msn.com/cs-cz/zpravy/zahraniční/ruské-tajné-služby-umí-číst-lidské-podvědomí-historik-promluvil/ar-AAI3FN1?ocid=spartandhp

The article doesn't make much sense, it quotes The Moscow Times and analysis of historic named Pavel Aptekar.

Overall it claims that secret services and Russian leaders take seriously occultic practices and this is why they fear selfproclaimed "shaman", who is now under arrest.

I noted this story reminded by some Russian sources that I follow, usually it was source of fun.

I find it quite bizzare that western media, and their local branches, give obvious importance to such funny story.

What's your opinion regarding this?

study

I'll quote Gasparyan on the matter:
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I'm not a materialist or anything obviously. And government ought to watch closely into anything - even something that looks like complete nonsense - as long as it endangers public order. But this case is just plainly stupid. Even more stupid is the attention BBC and other Western media pays to it. They are just searching for anything against Putin already. Be it criminals (like Sinitsa) or this freak. If tomorrow some natural disaster occurs - they'll still blame Putin and Russia. Even if it's a supernova in some faraway galaxy. Just like they've already blamed Russia for Ukrainegate.

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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:19 pm

Did you noticed latest news about the super-secret Russian military unit that is behind destabilization of the whole Europe, Tam?

What's your take on this? Without giving it more a few minutes of reading I consider it as yet another bizzare media stunt spred in order to blame failures of western neo-liberal elites on someone else (well, who else than Russia).
The fact that Belingcat is now the main source for the major corporate media outlets speaks for itself...

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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:52 am

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Did you noticed latest news about the super-secret Russian military unit that is behind destabilization of the whole Europe, Tam?

What's your take on this? Without giving it more a few minutes of reading I consider it as yet another bizzare media stunt spred in order to blame failures of western neo-liberal elites on someone else (well, who else than Russia).
The fact that Belingcat is now the main source for the major corporate media outlets speaks for itself...

Top Secret Russian Unit Seeks to Destabilize Europe, Security Officials Say

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/world/europe/unit-29155-russia-gru.html




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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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Post by Tamonten on Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:28 am

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Did you noticed latest news about the super-secret Russian military unit that is behind destabilization of the whole Europe, Tam?

What's your take on this? Without giving it more a few minutes of reading I consider it as yet another bizzare media stunt spred in order to blame failures of western neo-liberal elites on someone else (well, who else than Russia).
The fact that Belingcat is now the main source for the major corporate media outlets speaks for itself...

Once again, I'll quote Gasparyan...



Here's the transcript:
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Genossen

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Hell-oh!

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There is an authoritative publication called The New York Times.

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Old school one. And so, it stated that in Russia

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was discovered an elite unit

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of Main Intelligence Directorate

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(we will not be petty and won't argue that such an organization has long been gone - it doesn’t matter)

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which holds

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coordinated campaign to destabilize

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Europe.

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So it has a number

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29155

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and is related to the change of the ruling circles (now attention!) in Moldova,

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poisoning bulgarian businessman

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Emelyan Gebrev,

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attempted coup d'etat in Montenegro and the poisoning of the Skripals in British Salisbury.

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Well, I don’t know whan who thinks, but I like absolutely nothing here.

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First, why does the number not have three sixes?

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Well, it’s quite obvious that if we are the infernal Mordor,

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That elite special unit of the Main Intelligence Directorate,

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which is known to not exist,

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just must have Number of the Beast.

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At least in the beginning.

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Let's go further.

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In relation to the change of ruling circles in Moldova,

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believe me,

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as a persona non grata in this republic, who had already served four and a half years as such,

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it’s not necessary to maintain an elite unit

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Of the Main Intelligence Directorate with the number 666, but you just had to bring maney to Plohish (Plahatnyuk)

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That's all! Plohish would have done all the rest.

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Let's move on.

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Attempted coup in Montenegro ...

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Well, I don’t know. Maybe, of course, the New York Times measures everything from the American experience,

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who organize coups d'etat, which never lead to positive results,

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but believe me, in the experience of the Soviet Union

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in principle, the first stage there were of course negative coups d'etat,

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but then everything worked out as it should.

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Well, compare just the storming of Amin’s palace

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With this groaning and sweating of Americans in Iraq, for example.

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Well, it's clear where the elite really works, and where there are

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Alabamans and Texans.

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Let's go further.

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The poisoning of the Skripals family.

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By the way, this topic quickly disappeared from the media agenda.

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Well, that is, it was - and it is not.

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We don’t know if Julia Skripal gave birth at night ...

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Well, she was taken to the hospital in April, her tracks have since been lost.

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It is unknown, maybe the child has already been baptized.

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Maybe he already learned to say something.

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"Glory to the Kremlin," for example.

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Here. Everything is still a mystery.

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We also don’t know who dad is.

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Maybe this is the same poisoned policeman who miraculously survived and became a dad with Julia Skripal?

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We also do not know what Mister Skripal does.

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We do not know anything after the story with the third poisoner collapsed.

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In Bulgaria, by the way.

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And therefore, so that we do not ask idiotic questions, please, the Bulgarian businessman Emelyan Gebrev is introduced.

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Wonderful, huh?

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At the same time, the New York Times claims that the unit has been operating for at least ten years, but it was discovered recently.

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Well, let’s notice to ourselves that if it means “more recently”, is Skripal’s case,

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Well, I have to say that, in principle, if they carefully read the source:

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films about James Bond, that is, the works of Jan Fleming, they would have discovered traces of this unit much earlier ...

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In general, if they would talk to the emigrants of that old wave,

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they could tell you a lot about KGB

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and about NKhVD.

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But, by the way, nobody used such abbreviations then ...

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The Chekists are the only definition to which all this was given.

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I could understand when this nonsense would be published back in 1929

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in the newspaper, I don't know,

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"Females of Bordeaux," for example.

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Or, "Nørberg Librarians," in the yearbook.

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But when the New York Times writes it ...

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in 2019 - I’m sorry.

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You know, I’m always offended by human dementia, human stupidity.

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Because you look around: how many smart, worthy people ...

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Then you open the comments and think: Lord, this is some kind of surrealism.

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"Two worlds - two Shapiros." In the literal sense of the word.

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After all, the same people do it - probably, right?

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Which you see on the street, somewhere else ...

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But when they write something, it becomes ugly.

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And on the basis of their nonsense, in many ways, the New York Times composes such articles.

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But.

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They also indicated the address.

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The top-secret department, about the existence of which until recently no one knew, turns out to be located at headquarters

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of 161st training center for special service in the east of Moscow.

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Oh wow!

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But that is, we simply do not have the capital of our country, but some kind of continuous training ground.

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If you listen to these - here I go out and there's everywhere:

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Explosion packages, shooting, hostages taken - all these people have to train somewhere - but there is nothing.

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Young mothers with children, Polina Igorevna runs around to the doctors,

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Lyuban abbeys - that is, the movement is moving - Igor buys drones,

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RP drinks coffee - I don’t see all this, but maybe I live in the wrong Moscow?

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But for some reason among my friends, too, no one ever falls into this epicenter of endless military exercises.

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Or are they just lodging here, and training takes place where? In the basement of Skripals or what?

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Or in Montenegro? No, in Moldova?

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Such a poligon country.

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But I understand of course that an ordinary American

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knows nothing at all about life, which determines the consciousness of Russians - he can listen to this bullshit

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They can wonderfully tell them all of this.

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But when you get dozens of comments in the morning

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- you haven’t even managed to write about it in the Telegram yet,

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but you already get a comment about this, the question arises: well, maybe that's enough

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Well, maybe you'll remember the times of your own childhood there - I’m talking about my generation - you all read the Crocodile magazine,

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well, these crazy ideas were there, they were published there, well, then they laughed at it - what you are

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in 2019, you repeat - this whole nonsense.

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So I really do not understand. Then it goes back there

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like some kind of feedback.

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Anyway here

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whatever

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of all this, you know, I remembered while driving here,

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and looked around if there'll be shooting or something, I remembered how once Comrade Stalin said that today we are all Chekists

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maybe we should also say: today we are all (what is the number here, huh?)

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today we are all number 29155.

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There are 142 million of us - and let them calm down already. Well, the truth is, it’s easier for them and for us -

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and we will live in harmony.

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That's all,

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subscribe to Telegram - and mine, first of all, of course, bargaining is inappropriate here.

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Subscribe to the channel, click the bell,

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like, write comments,

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send donates - over there Igor is now calculating the amount that arrived

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lately - shows that there's nothing - I knew that - bye until next time.

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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:20 pm

Good evening, Tam. Can you share some key points regarding Butina's return to Russia? I was surprised she's back home already. Are there some informations regarding her detention in the US available? I did not follow the situation very closely but I noticed that there were some hints related to torture or other misuse of force.

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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Post by Tamonten on Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:23 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Good evening, Tam. Can you share some key points regarding Butina's return to Russia? I was surprised she's back home already. Are there some informations regarding her detention in the US available? I did not follow the situation very closely but I noticed that there were some hints related to torture or other misuse of force.

Well, she had a deal with investigation and was sentenced to a year and a few months I think?
Mostly, it's a mixed thing: on the one side it's good she's back, but since she made a confession (whether it was false or not) it's hard to perceive her as some kind of hero. Also, she's a very controversial person even before that. I'd say, she were more of pro-American agent in Russia then vice versa since she was lobbying for civilian small arms here.
Regarding torture though... I don't think it's the case. Just a very rude handling (I dare to say not even intended - just because of Western propaganda any Russian will be handled in the same way) and a lot of single incarceration (mostly because it's both hard to ensure her well being due to the same propaganda and due to the fear she'll indoctrinate some cellmates into pro-Russian sentiments; i.e. a LOT of paranoia).

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Post by Böhse Tante on Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:34 pm

Hallo Tamomten, perhaps you are interested in this story from a German investigative journalist:

The failed disarmament summit in Paris, illegal nuclear weapons tests by the USA in Patagonia and Adolf Eichmann

Russian Foreign Ministry releases documents - News from May 1960 - Part 1


https://www.zodlikeproductions.net/t26p450-in-other-news#56236

There is no right to historical truth - News from May 1960 - Part 2


https://www.zodlikeproductions.net/t26p450-in-other-news#56682

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There will come more parts.

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