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Post by Tamonten on Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:11 pm

Böhse Tante wrote:"To masquerade real collapse's reasons with fake ones."

Haha, yes, good point. I have already thought about this possibility, but not in the case of HK yet. I think there are more "masks" ongoing and perhaps on their way.

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Well, Iran is another possible point for that. Pretext is not important, consequences are.

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Post by Böhse Tante on Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:50 pm

Tamonten wrote:
Böhse Tante wrote:"To masquerade real collapse's reasons with fake ones."

Haha, yes, good point. I have already thought about this possibility, but not in the case of HK yet. I think there are more "masks" ongoing and perhaps on their way.

Cool

Well, Iran is another possible point for that. Pretext is not important, consequences are.

I was also thinking about the crumbling economy and living standard for the majority etc. here in Germany, a collapse/recession/crash can be blamed on migrants or climate change or high oil prices or ...

I think it would happen even without the presented "reasons".

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Post by Tamonten on Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:19 pm

Böhse Tante wrote:
Tamonten wrote:
Böhse Tante wrote:"To masquerade real collapse's reasons with fake ones."

Haha, yes, good point. I have already thought about this possibility, but not in the case of HK yet. I think there are more "masks" ongoing and perhaps on their way.

Cool

Well, Iran is another possible point for that. Pretext is not important, consequences are.

I was also thinking about the crumbling economy and living standard for the majority etc. here in Germany, a collapse/recession/crash can be blamed on migrants or climate change or high oil prices or ...

I think it would happen even without the presented "reasons".

Actually the collapse should have happened 20 years ago. Then it would have been a minor financial crisis with relatively fast recuperation.
Now, however... no one is even trying to predict the what will happen. Even 50% fall of consumer demand is an optimistic figure told 6 years ago...

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Post by Tamonten on Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:44 am

Still uploading, but I'm going to sleep now, so posting before it finished.



It's just a video from dashcam in my car from a trip I've made to Orekhovo-Zuevo town some 70km from Moscow. Point is it's a common town, not some Moscow suburb or almost-suburb like Korolyov near which I live. 120k population, most people there should (at least logically) work there or somewhere nearby (I'm quite sure that daily almost 2 hour long one-way trip to Moscow is a bit too much for most)
I'm not sure if it'll be interesting to anyone, but I've seen just too many comments under some Russian videos saying "why are you showing us the capital - show some common town". So, here it is.

And so, now I'm really going to sleep already. Because I'm going to have another trip there tomorrow. At least a bridge across Klyazma river was opened this week, so I don't have to go through the whole towncenter anymore...

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Post by Otto von Bismarck on Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:25 am

Cool, thanks, how you doing? In our news they say people in Moscow are fed up with authorities and about some guy who got an unjust prison sentence for going to a demonstration .. what do you think abot all that?
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Post by Tamonten on Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:53 am

Otto von Bismarck wrote:Cool, thanks, how you doing? In our news they say people in Moscow are fed up with authorities and about some guy who got an unjust prison sentence for going to a demonstration .. what do you think abot all that?

In this case "people" are some artists (mostly actors) and journalists. Mostly because he's an actor himself.
I've seen the video and explanation. He did intently resist policemen. And may have injured him by doing this.
In any country it's enough for imprisonment.

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Post by Otto von Bismarck on Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:42 am

Tamonten wrote:
Otto von Bismarck wrote:Cool, thanks, how you doing? In our news they say people in Moscow are fed up with authorities and about some guy who got an unjust prison sentence for going to a demonstration .. what do you think abot all that?

In this case "people" are some artists (mostly actors) and journalists. Mostly because he's an actor himself.
I've seen the video and explanation. He did intently resist policemen. And may have injured him by doing this.
In any country it's enough for  imprisonment.

And the average citizen, are they fine, or worried about the future, are they dissatisfied with how things are run? Here in Germany the society is split, not as bad as in the US, because people avoid confrontation, but there is no real dialogue either.
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Post by Böhse Tante on Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:32 pm

Tamonten wrote:Still uploading, but I'm going to sleep now, so posting before it finished.



It's just a video from dashcam in my car from a trip I've made to Orekhovo-Zuevo town some 70km from Moscow. Point is it's a common town, not some Moscow suburb or almost-suburb like Korolyov near which I live. 120k population, most people there should (at least logically) work there or somewhere nearby (I'm quite sure that daily almost 2 hour long one-way trip to Moscow is a bit too much for most)
I'm not sure if it'll be interesting to anyone, but I've seen just too many comments under some Russian videos saying "why are you showing us the capital - show some common town". So, here it is.

And so, now I'm really going to sleep already. Because I'm going to have another trip there tomorrow. At least a bridge across Klyazma river was opened this week, so I don't have to go through the whole towncenter anymore...

Looks a bit like here around Frankfurt, but I miss the tonnes of garbage we have here everywhere - in the city and in the landscape.

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Post by E-V13 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:39 pm

Hi Tamonten bro

I wanna ask you what is the Russian sentiment towards Bulgaria after the recent couple of events and scandals in Bulgaria involving Russia? Did a lot of Russians become Bulgarophobes? Very Happy

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Post by Tamonten on Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:07 pm

Otto von Bismarck wrote:
Tamonten wrote:
Otto von Bismarck wrote:Cool, thanks, how you doing? In our news they say people in Moscow are fed up with authorities and about some guy who got an unjust prison sentence for going to a demonstration .. what do you think abot all that?

In this case "people" are some artists (mostly actors) and journalists. Mostly because he's an actor himself.
I've seen the video and explanation. He did intently resist policemen. And may have injured him by doing this.
In any country it's enough for  imprisonment.

And the average citizen, are they fine, or worried about the future, are they dissatisfied with how things are run? Here in Germany the society is split, not as bad as in the US, because people avoid confrontation, but there is no real dialogue either.

Students in general are. But they always dissatisfied, duh. Some other people too, especially so-called "intilligentzia", but they too are always dissatisfied.
In general all this "movement" on the street and its consequences is of no concern of normal people.

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Post by Tamonten on Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:09 pm

E-V13 wrote:Hi Tamonten bro

I wanna ask you what is the Russian sentiment towards Bulgaria after the recent couple of events and scandals in Bulgaria involving Russia? Did a lot of Russians become Bulgarophobes? Very Happy

There's major disappointment. I won't say there's some major negative emotion...
Just that Bulgaria is seen... well, as another Poland now.
Like "many of them may be fine, but as a whole..."

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Post by E-V13 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:25 pm

Tamonten wrote:
E-V13 wrote:Hi Tamonten bro

I wanna ask you what is the Russian sentiment towards Bulgaria after the recent couple of events and scandals in Bulgaria involving Russia? Did a lot of Russians become Bulgarophobes? Very Happy

There's major disappointment. I won't say there's some major negative emotion...
Just that Bulgaria is seen... well, as another Poland now.
Like "many of them may be fine, but as a whole..."

I have seen a Russian professor saying the Bulgarians, even though they write in Cyrillic and are Orthodox, are now more Polish than the Polish themselves.

But majority of us are not against Russia, just the ruling party and the hardcore NATO/EU supporters.

What do you think about Bulgarian president Rumen Radev? He has different policy and views than the last president and current ruling party. He was invited recently by Putin to the Saint Petersburg Economic Forum and gave a good speech imo. He is trying to warm relations between Bulgaria and Russia, and also between Bulgaria and China.

He is commander in chief, but his power is limited though as Bulgaria is not a presidential republic but a parliamentary one. He was voted in with 59.37% and over 2 million votes.
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Post by Tamonten on Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:36 pm

E-V13 wrote:
Tamonten wrote:
E-V13 wrote:Hi Tamonten bro

I wanna ask you what is the Russian sentiment towards Bulgaria after the recent couple of events and scandals in Bulgaria involving Russia? Did a lot of Russians become Bulgarophobes? Very Happy

There's major disappointment. I won't say there's some major negative emotion...
Just that Bulgaria is seen... well, as another Poland now.
Like "many of them may be fine, but as a whole..."

I have seen a Russian professor saying the Bulgarians, even though they write in Cyrillic and are Orthodox, are now more Polish than the Polish themselves.

But majority of us are not against Russia, just the ruling party and the hardcore NATO/EU supporters.

What do you think about Bulgarian president Rumen Radev? He has different policy and views than the last president and current ruling party. He was invited recently by Putin to the Saint Petersburg Economic Forum and gave a good speech imo. He is trying to warm relations between Bulgaria and Russia, and also between Bulgaria and China.

He is commander in chief, but his power is limited though as Bulgaria is not a presidential republic but a parliamentary one.

Did not hear that professor, BTW. It was my own conclusion about Poles.
Also, what you've said does not contradict my last sentence. It's just that politics works this way: every single Bulgarian may love Russia, but, as it was since 19th century, every politician understands that to be pro-Russian is to propagate his own self-destruction. As it is with f.Ukraine, Belarus and other countries and regions that are both geographically and psychologically close: "if the whole country is attracted to Russia, why those local politicians are even needed?"

As for Radev... He's not alone. Moldavian president Dodon is a similar existence. Czech president Zeman too. Sadly, it does not change anything in world of "real politic". It was somewhat soothing to have at least someone sane on that side, but the show is getting old.
As was said many times - fear what'll come after Putin. He's old-school, born and raised in Soviet union on old internationalist values. What'll come next will be someone who've become mature person in 90s. They'll won't have any sympathy towards either ex-Soviet or ex-Socialist countries. It'll be pure pragmatism at its finest.

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Post by E-V13 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:02 pm

Tamonten wrote:
E-V13 wrote:
Tamonten wrote:
E-V13 wrote:Hi Tamonten bro

I wanna ask you what is the Russian sentiment towards Bulgaria after the recent couple of events and scandals in Bulgaria involving Russia? Did a lot of Russians become Bulgarophobes? Very Happy

There's major disappointment. I won't say there's some major negative emotion...
Just that Bulgaria is seen... well, as another Poland now.
Like "many of them may be fine, but as a whole..."

I have seen a Russian professor saying the Bulgarians, even though they write in Cyrillic and are Orthodox, are now more Polish than the Polish themselves.

But majority of us are not against Russia, just the ruling party and the hardcore NATO/EU supporters.

What do you think about Bulgarian president Rumen Radev? He has different policy and views than the last president and current ruling party. He was invited recently by Putin to the Saint Petersburg Economic Forum and gave a good speech imo. He is trying to warm relations between Bulgaria and Russia, and also between Bulgaria and China.

He is commander in chief, but his power is limited though as Bulgaria is not a presidential republic but a parliamentary one.

Did not hear that professor, BTW. It was my own conclusion about Poles.
Also, what you've said does not contradict my last sentence. It's just that politics works this way: every single Bulgarian may love Russia, but, as it was since 19th century, every politician understands that to be pro-Russian is to propagate his own self-destruction. As it is with f.Ukraine, Belarus and other countries and regions that are both geographically and psychologically close: "if the whole country is attracted to Russia, why those local politicians are even needed?"

As for Radev... He's not alone. Moldavian president Dodon is a similar existence. Czech president Zeman too. Sadly, it does not change anything in world of "real politic". It was somewhat soothing to have at least someone sane on that side, but the show is getting old.
As was said many times - fear what'll come after Putin. He's old-school, born and raised in Soviet union on old internationalist values. What'll come next will be someone who've become mature person in 90s. They'll won't have any sympathy towards either ex-Soviet or ex-Socialist countries. It'll be pure pragmatism at its finest.

Yes, it was a spot on conclusion.

Imo there is a chance that soon Bulgaria and her real politics, as you said, will change drastically. Recently Radev gave a speech, an address to the nation which was broadcasted on TV and was quite unusual for the President to give such address to the nation without anything major to have happened, but basically he called the nation towards Unity and the theme of the speech was "Unity". There were speculations afterwards that he is planning to create a political party called "Unity" and take the real power in the country, following the footsteps of Putin and "United Russia".

Btw, Zakharova was quite impressed with Radev's speech at the St Petersburg Economic Forum earlier this year. Smile Its a shame that the latest events in Bulgaria overshadowed the relations that Putin and Radev built in last couple of months.



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Post by Tamonten on Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:15 pm

Böhse Tante wrote:
Tamonten wrote:Still uploading, but I'm going to sleep now, so posting before it finished.



It's just a video from dashcam in my car from a trip I've made to Orekhovo-Zuevo town some 70km from Moscow. Point is it's a common town, not some Moscow suburb or almost-suburb like Korolyov near which I live. 120k population, most people there should (at least logically) work there or somewhere nearby (I'm quite sure that daily almost 2 hour long one-way trip to Moscow is a bit too much for most)
I'm not sure if it'll be interesting to anyone, but I've seen just too many comments under some Russian videos saying "why are you showing us the capital - show some common town". So, here it is.

And so, now I'm really going to sleep already. Because I'm going to have another trip there tomorrow. At least a bridge across Klyazma river was opened this week, so I don't have to go through the whole towncenter anymore...

Looks a bit like here around Frankfurt, but I miss the tonnes of garbage we have here everywhere - in the city and in the landscape.

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Post by Tamonten on Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:18 pm

E-V13 wrote:
Tamonten wrote:
E-V13 wrote:
Tamonten wrote:
E-V13 wrote:Hi Tamonten bro

I wanna ask you what is the Russian sentiment towards Bulgaria after the recent couple of events and scandals in Bulgaria involving Russia? Did a lot of Russians become Bulgarophobes? Very Happy

There's major disappointment. I won't say there's some major negative emotion...
Just that Bulgaria is seen... well, as another Poland now.
Like "many of them may be fine, but as a whole..."

I have seen a Russian professor saying the Bulgarians, even though they write in Cyrillic and are Orthodox, are now more Polish than the Polish themselves.

But majority of us are not against Russia, just the ruling party and the hardcore NATO/EU supporters.

What do you think about Bulgarian president Rumen Radev? He has different policy and views than the last president and current ruling party. He was invited recently by Putin to the Saint Petersburg Economic Forum and gave a good speech imo. He is trying to warm relations between Bulgaria and Russia, and also between Bulgaria and China.

He is commander in chief, but his power is limited though as Bulgaria is not a presidential republic but a parliamentary one.

Did not hear that professor, BTW. It was my own conclusion about Poles.
Also, what you've said does not contradict my last sentence. It's just that politics works this way: every single Bulgarian may love Russia, but, as it was since 19th century, every politician understands that to be pro-Russian is to propagate his own self-destruction. As it is with f.Ukraine, Belarus and other countries and regions that are both geographically and psychologically close: "if the whole country is attracted to Russia, why those local politicians are even needed?"

As for Radev... He's not alone. Moldavian president Dodon is a similar existence. Czech president Zeman too. Sadly, it does not change anything in world of "real politic". It was somewhat soothing to have at least someone sane on that side, but the show is getting old.
As was said many times - fear what'll come after Putin. He's old-school, born and raised in Soviet union on old internationalist values. What'll come next will be someone who've become mature person in 90s. They'll won't have any sympathy towards either ex-Soviet or ex-Socialist countries. It'll be pure pragmatism at its finest.

Yes, it was a spot on conclusion.

Imo there is a chance that soon Bulgaria and her real politics, as you said, will change drastically. Recently Radev gave a speech, an address to the nation which was broadcasted on TV and was quite unusual for the President to give such address to the nation without anything major to have happened, but basically he called the nation towards Unity and the theme of the speech was "Unity". There were speculations afterwards that he is planning to create a political party called "Unity" and take the real power in the country, following the footsteps of Putin and "United Russia".

Btw, Zakharova was quite impressed with Radev's speech at the St Petersburg Economic Forum earlier this year. Smile Its a shame that the latest events in Bulgaria overshadowed the relations that Putin and Radev built in last couple of months.



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It's a secret for now. For everyone. Because as soon as successor is named he will be a target to all the garbage flying around. There are some theories, but I don't partake in all of it.

As for Radev... We'll look and see. Not expecting anything though. I, at least, am tired of crumbled expectations.

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Post by Böhse Tante on Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:28 pm

Tamonten wrote:
Böhse Tante wrote:
Tamonten wrote:Still uploading, but I'm going to sleep now, so posting before it finished.



It's just a video from dashcam in my car from a trip I've made to Orekhovo-Zuevo town some 70km from Moscow. Point is it's a common town, not some Moscow suburb or almost-suburb like Korolyov near which I live. 120k population, most people there should (at least logically) work there or somewhere nearby (I'm quite sure that daily almost 2 hour long one-way trip to Moscow is a bit too much for most)
I'm not sure if it'll be interesting to anyone, but I've seen just too many comments under some Russian videos saying "why are you showing us the capital - show some common town". So, here it is.

And so, now I'm really going to sleep already. Because I'm going to have another trip there tomorrow. At least a bridge across Klyazma river was opened this week, so I don't have to go through the whole towncenter anymore...

Looks a bit like here around Frankfurt, but I miss the tonnes of garbage we have here everywhere - in the city and in the landscape.

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Well, our migrants don't receive any benefits. They have to work to feed themselves and their families back home. And they work mostly by tidying up the streets, planting trees and doing other manual labor.

Migrants?

I remember >50 years ago there was garbage too, perhaps slightly less. Germans only pretend to be so "clean" but many of them are litter louts. And the administrations are too buerocratic for solutions you've mentioned. I don't understand why Germany is still functioning at all. Since years it feels like living in a kind of absurdist theatre. Migrants here mostly want to work but are not allowed to work.

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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:38 pm

Tam, what do you thinka about this?

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Top Russian Politician Says Erdogan Told Him Turkey Will Leave NATO, Ally With Russia (Zhirinovsky)

https://russia-insider.com/en/top-russian-politician-says-erdogan-told-him-turkey-will-leave-nato-ally-russia-zhirinovsky/ri27469#.XYYw0CFugvY.twitter



As I know Zhirik I would not take his wards without grain of salt. He likes to exagerate I think.

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Post by Tamonten on Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:32 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Tam, what do you thinka about this?

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Top Russian Politician Says Erdogan Told Him Turkey Will Leave NATO, Ally With Russia (Zhirinovsky)

https://russia-insider.com/en/top-russian-politician-says-erdogan-told-him-turkey-will-leave-nato-ally-russia-zhirinovsky/ri27469#.XYYw0CFugvY.twitter



As I know Zhirik I would not take his wards without grain of salt. He likes to exagerate I think.

It should be taken in... well, squared grain of salt?
Because he's exaggerating Erdogan's exaggeration. Well, if this talk actually did happen at all.
I'd say that Leontyev was spot on here 3 years ago:


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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:39 pm

Hey, Tam, today I found really funny, and on point, this Sergei's comment:



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Do you know something about $23 trillion? I know that the fugitive banker claimed several times that Putin is the richest man in the galaxy and beyond... Just curious if this is somehow related or it is just sarcasm hinting to the US astronomic debt.

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Post by Tamonten on Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:52 am

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Hey, Tam, today I found really funny, and on point, this Sergei's comment:



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Do you know something about $23 trillion? I know that the fugitive banker claimed several times that Putin is the richest man in the galaxy and beyond... Just curious if this is somehow related or it is just sarcasm hinting to the US astronomic debt.

Yeah, I think he's talking about American debt.
As for the usual claims, here's my usual reaction:


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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:55 am

And what do you think about recent Biden issue. I know it's related to Ukraine, not Russia, but maybe you have some closer info. I will pass it to the main news thread as I posted here following:

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Just quick note:

Note how Trump's govt is fast to bash Biden and former banderstad's president. Just after UA elections. Till then, they didn't give a fuck, even if it was published widely that Poroshenko medled in US elections on behalf of Clinton. Just fucking comedy and cover up... (Biden is not able to win election don't matter what).

Or you can reply, if you wish, in the main news thread. Thanks for your time anyway, bud :-)

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KneelB4Zod! wrote:And what do you think about recent Biden issue. I know it's related to Ukraine, not Russia, but maybe you have some closer info. I will pass it to the main news thread as I posted here following:

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Just quick note:

Note how Trump's govt is fast to bash Biden and former banderstad's president. Just after UA elections. Till then, they didn't give a fuck, even if it was published widely that Poroshenko medled in US elections on behalf of Clinton. Just fucking comedy and cover up... (Biden is not able to win election don't matter what).

Or you can reply, if you wish, in the main news thread. Thanks for your time anyway, bud :-)

Well, it's clear as day. No one actually knows to whom port of Odessa belongs now. It was a chain of dealings managed by Saakashvili and Biden Jr.. That's the thing Prosecutor General Shokin was investigating just before he was fired by Poroshenko and criminal (literally) Lutsenko was appointed as a new one. BTW, Parliament was forced to do amendment to the laws to allow someone without any law education to became Prosecutor General...

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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:46 am

Tamonten wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:And what do you think about recent Biden issue. I know it's related to Ukraine, not Russia, but maybe you have some closer info. I will pass it to the main news thread as I posted here following:

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Just quick note:

Note how Trump's govt is fast to bash Biden and former banderstad's president. Just after UA elections. Till then, they didn't give a fuck, even if it was published widely that Poroshenko medled in US elections on behalf of Clinton. Just fucking comedy and cover up... (Biden is not able to win election don't matter what).

Or you can reply, if you wish, in the main news thread. Thanks for your time anyway, bud :-)

Well, it's clear as day. No one actually knows to whom port of Odessa belongs now. It was a chain of dealings managed by Saakashvili and Biden Jr.. That's the thing Prosecutor General Shokin was investigating just before he was fired by Poroshenko and criminal (literally) Lutsenko was appointed as a new one. BTW, Parliament was forced to do amendment to the laws to allow someone without any law education to became Prosecutor General...

Oh ffs... Geroyam slava!

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Post by Tamonten on Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:50 am

KneelB4Zod! wrote:
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KneelB4Zod! wrote:And what do you think about recent Biden issue. I know it's related to Ukraine, not Russia, but maybe you have some closer info. I will pass it to the main news thread as I posted here following:

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Just quick note:

Note how Trump's govt is fast to bash Biden and former banderstad's president. Just after UA elections. Till then, they didn't give a fuck, even if it was published widely that Poroshenko medled in US elections on behalf of Clinton. Just fucking comedy and cover up... (Biden is not able to win election don't matter what).

Or you can reply, if you wish, in the main news thread. Thanks for your time anyway, bud :-)

Well, it's clear as day. No one actually knows to whom port of Odessa belongs now. It was a chain of dealings managed by Saakashvili and Biden Jr.. That's the thing Prosecutor General Shokin was investigating just before he was fired by Poroshenko and criminal (literally) Lutsenko was appointed as a new one. BTW, Parliament was forced to do amendment to the laws to allow someone without any law education to became Prosecutor General...

Oh ffs... Geroyam slava!

Oh, yeah. And Lutsenko was actually recommended for that position by Biden personally. Just to have a complete picture.
Democrats are just plain disgusting. For all his misgivings, Trump at the very least don't pretend to be some kind saint.

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Post by E-V13 on Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:38 pm

Hi Tamonten. What do you think about the Treaty of Berlin (1878)?

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Post by Tamonten on Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:52 pm

E-V13 wrote:Hi Tamonten. What do you think about the Treaty of Berlin (1878)?

Well, it's seen as usual European treachery. Especially since religious feelings should have been important still, but, as usual, "heretic is worse than infidel" - countries of Western Christianity would rather side with Muslim Ottoman Empire than with Orthodox Russia and Balkan people.
But mostly - British fear for India. If Russia took control if Constantinople (whether via conquest or just by taking control of degrading Ottoman Empire without it), it would mean that Mediterranean sea will become accessible - which would endanger British communications with their richest colony.

But mostly - such half-hearted and half-assed decisions in 19th century has turned Balkans into powder-keg of Europe we know them to be.

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Post by E-V13 on Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:40 pm

Why did Russia participate and sign it?

Russia agreed with western powers through the Reichstadt Agreement, Budapest Convention of 1877 and London agreement that the creation of Bulgaria and its size will be agreed by all and that the Bulgarian borders from San Stefano treaty will be changed.

There was not one representative from Bulgaria, when there were from Serbia and Romania. At the Treaty of Berlin Serbia stole the Pomoravie from Bulgaria and Romania stole Northern Dobrudja.

Instead of having true Bulgaria, Bulgaria was cut into 7 pieces: 1. Vassal Bulgaria state. 2. autonomous Ottoman province Eastern Roumelia, 3. Pomoravie stolen by Serbia. 4. Northern Dobrudja stolen by Romania. 5. Macedonia. 6.Eastern Thrace and 7. Western Thrace with all three remaining as integral part of the Ottoman Empire.

Bulgaria according to San Stefano peace treaty:

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Bulgaria after the accursed Treaty of Berlin:

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Also why didn't Russia like the way that Eastern Rumelia united with Bulgaria? It was completely natural that Bulgarians, who were left outside of Bulgaria by the accursed Treaty of Berlin, rose against that injustice and united the Bulgarian land of Eastern Rumelia with the Bulgarian state.
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Post by Tamonten on Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:47 pm

E-V13 wrote:Why did Russia participate and sign it?

Russia agreed with western powers through the Reichstadt Agreement, Budapest Convention of 1877 and London agreement that the creation of Bulgaria and its size will be agreed by all and that the Bulgarian borders from San Stefano treaty will be changed.

There was not one representative from Bulgaria, when there were from Serbia and Romania. At the Treaty of Berlin Serbia stole the Pomoravie from Bulgaria and Romania stole Northern Dobrudja.

Instead of having true Bulgaria, Bulgaria was cut into 7 pieces: 1. Vassal Bulgaria state. 2. autonomous Ottoman province Eastern Roumelia, 3. Pomoravie stolen by Serbia. 4. Northern Dobrudja stolen by Romania. 5. Macedonia. 6.Eastern Thrace and 7. Western Thrace with all three remaining as integral part of the Ottoman Empire.

Bulgaria according to San Stefano peace treaty:

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Bulgaria according to Tsarigrad conference 1876-77:

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Bulgaria after the accursed Treaty of Berlin:

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Also why didn't Russia like the way that Eastern Rumelia united with Bulgaria? It was completely natural that Bulgarians, who were left outside of Bulgaria by the accursed Treaty of Berlin, rose against that injustice and united the Bulgarian land of Eastern Rumelia with the Bulgarian state.

Answering all your questions: Because since Peter the Great Russia has considered itself to be a part of so-called "civilized" Europe. Which means to avoid confrontation with West if possible, policy of compromises and so on. But also "if we promised, we'll do it even harms us" worked too. Actually, policies of 20th century were often of the same kind despite Bolsheviks claiming to be a completely new power.
Russian rulers always cared what would be told about them in Western society. Foolish, I must admit - since this policy was harmful more often than giving any good results.

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Post by E-V13 on Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:02 pm

I see. Thanks for the answer.

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