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Post by KneelB4Zod! Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:31 am

ShockJock wrote:
Zambeezi wrote:yes... let's all just reduce complex issues into simplistic talking points.
like this:
Russia just broke the law. what else do you need to know?
Russia invaded a sovereign country. That is an act of war. Russia had broken international law. That is a fact.
US of A implemented coup 2014 and remove legally elected government and put in their place people US of A controls in the elections that are...questionable (at least).
Viktor Yanukovych was a corrupted piece of shit. All these stamens are true and factual. Two wrongs don't make a right

Actually, your statement of "facts" has convenient omissions.  I respectfully provide the following:

Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine

IX. External and Internal Security

The Ukrainian SSR has the right to its own armed forces.

The Ukrainian SSR has its own internal armies and bodies of state security subordinated to the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian SSR.

The Ukrainian SSR determines procedures for military service by citizens of the Republic.

Citizens of the Ukrainian SSR perform their military service, as a rule, on the territory of the Republic, and cannot be used for military purpose beyond its borders without the consent of the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian SSR.

The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.

The Declaration is the basis for a new constitution and laws of Ukraine and determines the positions of the Republic for the purpose of international agreements.

The principles of the Declaration of the Sovereignty of Ukraine are used for preparation of a new union agreement.

Passed by the Verkhovna Rada of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic

Kyiv, July 16, 1990

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This - especially the bold-faced type -  was the basis of good relations between Russia and Ukraine as the Soviet Union dissolved.  Ukraine altered the relations by engaging to join NATO.

It is **not** "illegal" for Russia to defend itself from having NATO missiles placed on Ukrainian soil with a five minute flight time to Moscow, or a ten minute flight time to Russia's strategic nuclear missile silos.

The United States set that precedent in 1963 during the Cuban Missile Crisis.   You may recall that the then-Soviet Union placed Medium range and Intermediate Range nuclear missiles on Cuba.  They had a five minute flight time to Washington, DC.

Then U.S. President John F. Kennedy said "those missiles have to go. They cannot be there."   Kennedy ordered a Naval "Quarantine" to intercept future weapons shipments to Cuba, and began massing troops in Florida for what was going to be an actual invasion of Cuba.

So what Russia is doing with Ukraine HAS legal precedent; the United States set that precedent with Cuba.

Russia is in the right, here.   Ukraine, the US, and NATO are in the wrong.

It should be clear to any rational person that NATO is methodically positioning missile sites completely around all of Russia.   If the Russians do not put a stop to this, then at some point, there will be so many missiles, in so many places, that Russia can be told, do what we tell you or your entire country will be destroyed in five minutes.   Russia won't tolerate that.  They HAD to take a stand with Ukraine and did.

I see what Russia is doing as a repeat of what US President Kennedy did in 1963.   I think Russia is right and I support Russia.

Hello Hal, I just want to note that quote is messed up. Part was written by Zamb and other part by anon. Better look up original post:

anon wrote:
Zambeezi wrote:yes... let's all just reduce complex issues into simplistic talking points.
like this:

https://rumble.com/embed/v2z6cry/?pub=4
Russia just broke the law. what else do you need to know?
Russia invaded a sovereign country. That is an act of war. Russia had broken international law. That is a fact.
US of A implemented coup 2014 and remove legally elected government and put in their place people US of A controls in the elections that are...questionable (at least).
Viktor Yanukovych was a corrupted piece of shit. All these stamens are true and factual. Two wrongs don't make a right

And you're right, naturally #122 - Main news thread - conflicts, terrorism, crisis from around the globe - Page 34 3077205713

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