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Post by Böhse Tante Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:41 pm

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And I wish the ambassador of Cuba or North Korea start anti gov. protests in Berlin. For other countries seems to be quite normal behaviour. Other countries should start to act like its common for the west.

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

That is what I mean with "I'm on the side of the people".

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When asked what imminent threat #Soleimani was, Trump gave his beliefs about scenarios of what could've happened. It is clear there was no threat and they just made it up. But who cares? He was just some Iranian guy. Who needs proof anymore? America's actions are always just!

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Post by Zambeezi Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:39 pm

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Was The Shootdown Of The Ukrainian Airplane Near Tehran Really A 'Mistake'?
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/was-the-shootdown-of-the-ukrainian-airplane-near-tehran-really-a-mistake.html#more

...

The general in his press conference claimed that his organization is guilty:

   Our dear brothers at the Aviation Organization categorically rejected the possibility of a missile hitting the plane; they acted based on what they knew. I must say they were not guilty and have nothing to do with this. All the blame is on us; they’re innocent. The plane was also on its track, it made no mistake. It did the right thing, as did the Aviation Organization. Everyone did the right thing. Only one of our forces made a mistake. Since he is under our command, we are responsible for that. We must be accountable.

It is the right thing to say public relation wise.
But the incident itself is not a military error or mistake.

What one can and should criticize is the slow reaction of the Iranian military command after the incident happened.
It launched an internal investigation and told everyone to be silent about it.
It took the generals three days to look for an excuse that was impossible to find because everything that had happened did happen for rational reasons.
The air defense systems have to be dispersed to make them less easy to attack.
Communication failures are to be expected during a war.
The soldiers are trained to act autonomously when comm-failures happen.
They did what they had to do.

It is sad that this incident happened and that 176 lost their life.
But if one wants to find a person guilty for it one must look for the person who caused the whole situation.
That person is not the lowly sergeant who pressed the button.
That person is U.S. President Donald Trump.
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Post by KneelB4Zod! Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:20 pm

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BREAKING: Tehran protestors now turned into rioters as they begin to vandalize the streets and private property #IranProtests2020

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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Post by Zambeezi Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:24 pm

If you don't know 'who' Qasem Suleimani was...
Scott Ritter honors him with an excellent description of this national and international hero.

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Aaron Matte interviews Scott Ritter: Pompeo is lying through his Teeth


Scott Ritter, a former Marine Corps intelligence officer, analyzes the increased White House coercion efforts and collapsing intelligence claims.
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/12/ex-us-intel-officer-pompeo-lying-through-his-teeth-on-iran/


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Post by KneelB4Zod! Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:36 pm

Does anyone know if the Ukrainian plane was the first one that took of from the airport? Some interesting question from the discussion unter the MoA latest article:

What was it that differentiated this plane from the others on his radar screen.(?)

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Post by KneelB4Zod! Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:45 pm

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#Soleimani assassination act of international terrorism: #Chomsky


https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/12/615982/Chomsky-US-assassination-Soleimani

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Post by KneelB4Zod! Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:18 pm

Israeli F-16s are floating now...


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Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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Post by Zambeezi Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:19 pm

IRGC Says It Jammed MQ-9 Drones During Missile Attack On US Base In Iraq
https://southfront.org/irgc-says-it-jammed-mq-9-drones-during-missile-attack-on-us-base-in-iraq/

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► "communication and dispatch of images by US MQ-9 drones were cut as IRGC’s missile attack was underway on Ain al-Assad military base."

► "special equipment we had prepared in advance was an important electronic warfare operation that started about 15 minutes after missile attack; we brought all drones flying over Ain al-Assad military base out of US troops’ control for some moments and cut their communication and image links which terrified the Americans,”

► "the most important need of the Americans was to understand the extent of the losses which were instantly monitored by the cameras of eight MQ-9 drones, and said,
“When the aircraft were out of US control their morale was much more lowered than the missile attacks.”

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"“We were not after killing anyone although tens of US troops have likely been killed and wounded and were transferred to Israel and Jordan on 9 sorties of C-130 flights,” he added, noting that had Iran intended to kill the American forces, it could have planned high casualty operations to kill 500 US military men in the first step and 4,000 to 5,000 others in the second and third phases within 48 hours.

General Hajizadeh said that 13 missiles were fired at the US bases on Tuesday, adding that Iran was ready to fire hundreds of missiles in the first hours and had prepared thousands of missiles for possible 3-day to week-long clashes between the two sides.

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Post by Böhse Tante Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:20 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Does anyone know if the Ukrainian plane was the first one that took of from the airport? Some interesting question from the discussion unter the MoA latest article:

What was it that differentiated this plane from the others on his radar screen.(?)

Afair as I remember from somewhere it wasn't the first, but their transponder was off ~40 seconds before the hit? Can not remember if it was hearsay or from a official source. I've read so much my head is spinning, >50 open tabs in the browser ..

If I find something I'll post it.

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

That is what I mean with "I'm on the side of the people".

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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:22 pm

Casualties due to clashes between security and demonstrators in central Tehran #

العربية عاجل (@AlArabiya_Brk) Tweeted:
وقوع إصابات جراء مواجهات بين الأمن ومتظاهرين وسط طهران #العربية_عاجل https://t.co/a1vIGVFnOW https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1216454490049646593?s=20
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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:23 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:Israeli F-16s are floating now...


It's so if they get hit by birds they can claim it's a fighter duck
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The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:Casualties due to clashes between security and demonstrators in central Tehran #

العربية عاجل (@AlArabiya_Brk) Tweeted:
وقوع إصابات جراء مواجهات بين الأمن ومتظاهرين وسط طهران #العربية_عاجل https://t.co/a1vIGVFnOW https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1216454490049646593?s=20

Let's not forget...:

#43 - Main news thread - conflicts, terrorism, crisis from around the globe - Page 16 Iran-khamenei-newsweek-magazine-cover

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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Post by Zambeezi Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:29 pm

Trump tweet in Farsi 'the most liked bot targeted Persian tweet' in history of Twitter
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-tweet-in-farsi-the-most-liked-persian-tweet-in-history-of-twitter

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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:40 pm

KneelB4Zod! wrote:
The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:Casualties due to clashes between security and demonstrators in central Tehran #

العربية عاجل (@AlArabiya_Brk) Tweeted:
وقوع إصابات جراء مواجهات بين الأمن ومتظاهرين وسط طهران #العربية_عاجل https://t.co/a1vIGVFnOW https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1216454490049646593?s=20

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Have you seen their statement about his death being a divine intervention ?
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Post by Zambeezi Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:52 pm

US wants to discuss steps for Iran to become ‘normal country’ without precondition – Esper says amid ‘warnings’ from Washington
https://www.rt.com/usa/478072-us-discuss-iran-without-precondition/

"Asked whether there was a contradiction between calling the Iranian authorities “corrupt” and openly siding with anti-government protesters, yet expressing readiness to talk at the same time, Esper assured the show’s host that it was a perfectly fine thing to do." pig


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Post by KneelB4Zod! Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:54 pm

The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:
The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:Casualties due to clashes between security and demonstrators in central Tehran #

العربية عاجل (@AlArabiya_Brk) Tweeted:
وقوع إصابات جراء مواجهات بين الأمن ومتظاهرين وسط طهران #العربية_عاجل https://t.co/a1vIGVFnOW https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1216454490049646593?s=20

Let's not forget...:

#43 - Main news thread - conflicts, terrorism, crisis from around the globe - Page 16 Iran-khamenei-newsweek-magazine-cover

Have you seen their statement about his death being a divine intervention ?

Of course. They cheer Trump's action as well as al-Qaeda in Idlib.

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018
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the 'Soleimani-4 embassies imminence' claim disintegrates before yer very eyes. Twisted Evil



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Post by acz Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:07 pm

Loving the style of Oman's new monarch. Laughing



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acz wrote:Loving the style of Oman's new monarch.  Laughing



Nice Very Happy

The dagger reminds me Yemeni dagger, oftenly seen in Houthi related videos.

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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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Interesting:



If Iran was correct then there will be about 40 such incidents in nearby future...

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acz wrote:Loving the style of Oman's new monarch.  Laughing


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Post by Böhse Tante Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:12 pm

"Transponder stopped 30 seconds *before* the missile hit
Here is a presentation of the Revolutionary Guards. Note the point where the missile hit the plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3e9g1oWNUA&feature=youtu.be&t=330

and compare with the point at which the transponder stopped transmitting data

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/image/12249294/0x0/1536/1123/e2547a6766430da163d2c2041681d9af/Lw/iran-plane-crash-gfx-jan-10.jpg

The time discrepancy between the two points, assuming a speed of 400 to 500 km/h, is about 30 seconds.

Something on the airplane has paralyzed the transponder (and possibly other electronics) first. The aircraft was then no longer identifiable. No wonder that the rocket gunner sounded the alarm and then shot it down a short time later.

Now I am curious about the evaluation of the flight recorders."

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

https://www.heise.de/forum/Telepolis/Kommentare/10-Sekunden-fuer-eine-Entscheidung-im-Kriegslaerm/Transponder-stoppte-30-Sekunden-bevor-die-Rakete-traf/posting-35920754/show/

Dunno if this is interesting.

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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
It's more "refuse" than "resist" - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with like-minded people.

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Post by KneelB4Zod! Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:27 pm

Pepe Escobar
6 hrs ·

IT AIN’T OVER TILL THE CYBER EXPERTS SING

THE STRIKE ON THE UKRAINIAN BOEING MAY HAVE BEEN THE CONSEQUENCE OF A CYBER ATTACK

Iranian radars disabled. Coordinates of a civilian Ukrainian aircraft changed – so it would look like an enemy aircraft.

The downing of the Ukrainian Boeing might have been the result of a US cyber attack.

Of course this is a - literally - explosive issue. I’ve been on it for a few hours now – but it’s Sunday, very hard to get any official comment. I sent messages to different players in Iran and Russia, awaiting response. One of them, from Iran, says “no discussion of a cyber-attack”, for now.

And yet IRGC Aerospace Commander Hajizadeh’s speech is a dead giveaway. He said a huge “anomaly” impaired Tehran’s air defense system, leading to the impression an enemy plane was approaching a sensitive military center – the root of the subsequent “human error”.

He also said that in the hours after the IRGC missile attack on the Ayn al-Asad base, the Americans had multiplied fighter jet flights near Iran’s aerial borders. Not only Tehran was targeted, but other strategic military centers as well.

One can imagine nerves fraying all across the spectrum.

One can read Hajizadeh’s explanation as a very subtle description of a cyber attack. Perhaps the IRGC does not have the full intel – yet. Perhaps they cannot reveal the full story of how they fell victim to a cyber attack – and that would explain the long gap between them acknowledging the hit and the Iranian government officially announcing it.

Russian military site avia.pro goes straight to the point. This is their English version, which is not as detailed as the report in Russian.

http://avia-pro.net/news/prichinoy-unichtozheniya-ukrainskogo-boeing-737-stali-amerikanskie-sredstva-reb?fbclid=IwAR0v6LgAxStLa9gyM0Csp9YCaQz38x314tqBmHRJE-MhS7voeSSATaP1coo

avia.pro are not amateurs. The report in Russian says that if that was cyberwarfare by the Americans, the coup matches point by point the destruction of an IL-20 near Lattakia in September 2018 - which Israeli fighter planes used as a shield.

avia.pro goes for the working hypothesis that the US military cyber attack modified not only the profile of the Ukro-Boeing. The Ukrainian pilot made a U-turn as well. So the cyber attack may have also targeted the Boeing’s navigation system. The Americans have done this many times before.

Malign Manatee Pompeo’s gloating is an indirect giveaway. He said it was an Iranian missile even before any serious investigation had started. And picking a Tehran-Kiev flight – among so many other flights that day – is a thing of beauty. It carries the possibility of blaming BOTH Iran and Russia (I posted about it; Russia was blamed by Ukrainians). And it carries the possibility of “indirect” collaboration by the Ukro-mafioso system – with US “rewards” showering afterwards.

What about “collateral damage”? There’s A LOT of chatter – of course, no smokin’ gun – that the Ukro-flight was a RAT FLIGHT, as in containing a planeload of dodgy intel types. The destination of the flight is also a dead giveaway. In previous instances, “Canadians” carrying false Canadian passports usually turn out to be CIA and/or MOSSAD operating in Ukraine.

NOTHING is beyond the appalling Exceptionalist racket – and NOTHING should be excluded from investigation. The Ukro-incident completely eviscerated from the news cycle the immense HUMILIATION suffered by the “greatest army in the history of the universe” in Iraq. In fact it could have been the HYBRID WAR AMERICAN RESPONSE - as it happened only five hours after the immense humiliation itself.

This is far from over: it’s an ongoing investigation. Experts are more than welcomed.

https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377/posts/10157820584511678

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