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Post by H10 on Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:46 am

KneelB4Zod! wrote:By clicking following tweet you will reach interesting thread explaining what was most likely targeted on US al-Asad base in Iraq. Really impressive accuracy.



The whole thread you can read also here:

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Remember when Trump Attacked a Syrian military airport with like 50is tomahawk missiles and 7ish actually hit the base?
Either this base had very very poor air defenses, or this ballistic missiles are somehow more precise and effective than tomahawk missiles
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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:48 am

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Full-Scale War Is Avoided And Trump Goes Right Back To Warmongering


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The United States and Iran entered into a direct military exchange for the first time ever with the drone assassination of General Qassem Soleimani last week and a retaliatory strike from Iran via surface-to-surface missiles upon two US military bases on Wednesday.

As usual it was the less powerful nation who exercised restraint, with Iran skillfully targeting the bases’ military capabilities but taking measures to successfully avoid any casualties. The two nations de-escalated back down to their previous high level of dangerous hostilities with an understanding between them that neither side wants a full-scale war. Both sides played “chicken” and both sides swerved, and they know that about each other now.

So that was a relief. We were all forced to hold our breath and hope against hope that cooler heads would prevail after the senseless assassination of a sovereign nation’s top military official, and they did. A full-scale war that would have dwarfed Iraq and Vietnam in terms of death, destruction and destabilization was averted.

And then Trump immediately went right back to warmongering.



“As we continue to evaluate options in response to Iranian aggression, the United States will immediately impose additional punishing economic sanctions on the Iranian regime,” Trump said in his speech the morning after the Iranian missile strike. “These powerful sanctions will remain until Iran changes its behavior.”

It is unclear at this time what form these sanctions will take. If they are of the sort being leveled at Iran currently, they will further target Iranian civilians with the goal of making them even more miserable so that they rise up and overthrow their government. This deliberate attempt to foment civil war against Tehran is not speculation; it is a fact, admitted to by the Trump administration itself.

A New York Times article from last year reports the following:

“Last week, Mr. Pompeo acknowledged to Michael J. Morrell, a former acting director of the C.I.A., that the administration’s strategy would not persuade Iranian leaders to change their behavior.

“‘I think what can change is the people can change the government,’ he said on a podcast hosted by Mr. Morrell, in what appeared to be an endorsement of regime change.”


It is impossible for the US and Iran to de-escalate from the military powderkeg situation they are in as long as the US is deliberately attacking Iran’s economy with the goal of igniting a civil war in that country. The US government intends to not just continue to escalate this direct assault, but to continue its increasingly intrusive military presence in the region, including the unwelcome occupation of Iraq.

And yet, bizarrely, Trump also claims to want to reach a new nuclear deal with Iran.

“The very defective JCPOA expires shortly anyway and gives Iran a clear and quick path to nuclear breakout,” Trump said. “Iran must abandon its nuclear ambitions and end its support for terrorism. The time has come for the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Russia and China to recognize this reality. They must now break away from the remnants of the Iran deal, or JCPOA. And we must all work together toward making a deal with Iran that makes the world a safer and more peaceful place. We must also make a deal that allows Iran to thrive and prosper and take advantage of its enormous untapped potential.”

This is not going to happen. The US government has already burned Tehran on the JCPOA and it’s not going to enter into a new deal as long as the US continues to inflict aggressions upon it that the US itself wouldn’t tolerate from any other nation. Iran is going to be much less willing to trust the US government in a new deal now and will require much more assurance and accommodation than it did in the previous one; such a negotiation (assuming the Trump administration even really wants it) would be harder, not easier. This will remain true even after Trump leaves office.



The Trump administration also further inflamed tensions by inviting NATO to become further involved in the Middle East, which NATO chief chief Jens Stoltenberg agreed to.

“The President asked the secretary general for NATO to become more involved in the Middle East,” a NATO statement said. “They agreed that NATO could contribute more to regional stability and the fight against international terrorism.”

So things are only continuing to heat up with Iran, and there is no reason to believe more eruptions like the direct military confrontation we just experienced won’t occur again, with the world perhaps getting a lot less lucky next time. Trump and his supporters are trying to claim the evasion of full-scale war as a victory for both peace and for America, but it is neither.

All of the defenses of Trump’s warmongering that you’ve been seeing are premised upon the unquestioned assumption that it is both reasonable and acceptable for the United States to maintain a military presence in the Middle East, even in nations whose governments don’t want them there like Iraq and Syria. If the US didn’t insist on maintaining an enormous military presence in this one area on the other side of the planet, there would be no debate about the need for America to “defend” itself by attacking the Iranian economy, assassinating government officials, and conducting airstrikes upon Iraqi militias. It would just be another country on the other side of the world, doing its own thing in its own way.

Most Americans haven’t thought very hard about this premise. They are fed some lines about the need to protect American “interests” and some unexplained need to defend Israel, and because those lines are spoken in an authoritative tone of voice most are content to leave it there. But if Americans actually laid out all the facts in front of them and thought deeply about what their government’s Middle Eastern military presence costs them and risks for them compared to what it actually gains them, it would be seen for the insane imperialist power agenda that it so clearly is.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/full-scale-war-is-avoided-and-trump-goes-right-back-to-warmongering-e4169d69a8c0

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Post by Zambeezi on Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:24 am

H10 wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:By clicking following tweet you will reach interesting thread explaining what was most likely targeted on US al-Asad base in Iraq. Really impressive accuracy.



The whole thread you can read also here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1214989223025086465.html?refreshed=yes
Remember when Trump Attacked a Syrian military airport with like 50is tomahawk missiles and 7ish actually hit the base?
Either this base had very very poor air defenses, or this ballistic missiles are somehow more precise and effective than tomahawk missiles
Twisted Evil I remember.


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Post by Talos on Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:10 am

Footage from inside parts of the destroyed US Iraq base.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Moluskein/status/1214979584791371776
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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:52 am

Talos wrote:Footage from inside parts of the destroyed US Iraq base.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Moluskein/status/1214979584791371776

Lol, no damage. Thanks for sharing


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Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:54 am


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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:56 am

KneelB4Zod! wrote:
Talos wrote:Footage from inside parts of the destroyed US Iraq base.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Moluskein/status/1214979584791371776

Lol, no damage. Thanks for sharing


I don't think they've denied damage being done, they said only some material damage was dealt
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Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 am


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It's about last night's attack I think.

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Post by Slovák on Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:39 am

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the United States to maintain a military presence in the Middle East, even in nations whose governments don’t want them there like Iraq and Syria. If the US didn’t insist on maintaining an enormous military presence in this one area on the other side of the planet, there would be no debate about the need for America to “defend” itself

#43 - Main news thread - conflicts, terrorism, crisis from around the globe - Page 2 2713748720 is the whole point of WW3 coming ... until the U.S.imperialism stops.

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Post by Slovák on Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:55 am

No Iran-U.S. war in foreseeable future - Kosachyov
http://www.interfax.com/news.asp

So the Amis got spooked enough by Iran ... back to N.Korea missile program?  lol!

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Post by Böhse Tante on Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:56 am

Here in German TV they tell us the Iranian citizens are mainly against their government (like they tell since years) and the Iranisn attack was "only a show".

They really said "as if the bully has beaten you bleedy and as reaction you spit him in the face". 

Then why has the bully not beaten further ...

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Post by Slovák on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:06 am

75% Of Registered Voters Can't Identify Iran On A Map
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The USA Has Been Bombing Iraq For 29 Years
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Post by Slovák on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:14 am

Böhse Tante wrote:Here in German TV they tell us the Iranian citizens are mainly against their government (like they tell since years) and the Iranisn attack was "only a show".

They really said "as if the bully has beaten you bleedy and as reaction you spit him in the face". 

Then why has the bully not beaten further ...

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Even if true, which few countries in the world have not the citizens against them? Still no one bombs them. Fail of logic ... somehow frustrating coming from the German side (used to be reasonable).





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Post by KneelB4Zod! on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:23 am


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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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They knew their troops would be safe bunkered down they likely allowed the missiles through so they can build their case against Iran
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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:46 am

Slovák wrote: Trump acted reasonably by going back on his threats against Iran - Pushkov
Interfax

And the Iranians are like How about some damage
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Post by Zambeezi on Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:47 am



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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:47 am

KneelB4Zod! wrote:
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SENIOR IRANIAN GUARDS COMMANDER SAYS IRAN WILL TAKE "HARSHER REVENGE SOON" AFTER MISSILE ATTACKS ON U.S. TARGETS IN IRAQ - TASNIM NEWS AGENCY

Question is is he just beating the chest or is he being serious and to what timeframe
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Post by Zambeezi on Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:55 am

The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
KneelB4Zod! wrote:
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Question is is he just beating the chest or is he being serious and to what timeframe
remember their 'goal' is not (just) 'revenge'. so ask yourself: how YOU would accomplish it.
logic tells you: random acts of violence against foreign presence across 'however' long (it takes.)
afaik the red flag is still flying.
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Post by Slovák on Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:02 am

The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
Slovák wrote: Trump acted reasonably by going back on his threats against Iran - Pushkov
Interfax

And the Iranians are like How about some damage


Which damage is worse, the economic from existing and even more U.S. sanctions on Iran or a U.S.base bombardment without meaningful charges?

Anyway, Iranians want US out of the ME, so neither side going to back down.


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