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Post by boris on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 17:36

is that "Sam the Eagle" behind him on the right?
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Post by boris on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 17:38

well, that was not much.
Iran standing down, no one hurt. no threats of any other action.


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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 17:39

Basic points are they haven't decided on a response yet and saying Iran is backing down...

Meaning de-escalation...

Obviously depending on what's next
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Post by The Original Mind on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 17:39

So new sanctions, call for NATO to ditch the nuclear deal, and promise of a rich future. So back in Iran’s court. No mention of leaving Iraq.

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Post by Humanity Blows on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 17:47

So, no military action, seems like de-escalation for now.

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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 17:59

Humanity Blows wrote:So, no military action, seems like de-escalation for now.

Both sides are trying to back away and the US is trying to resume business as usual I dare say Iran is trying to ease on the proxy front but they're a wildcard in this at the minute
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Post by Zambeezi on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 18:36

The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
Humanity Blows wrote:So, no military action, seems like de-escalation for now.

Both sides are trying to back away and the US is trying to resume business as usual I dare say Iran is trying to ease on the proxy front but they're a wildcard in this at the minute
i see no evidence nor 'gesture' of that.
in fact my impression is that they have said and intend the exact opposite.
it's the only hope for the levant and the sovereigns.
GTFO.


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back to the speech...
i've nvr seen trump look so shaken. ever. all confidence gone. arrogance faked. barely.
like he was on the cliff edge of a total breakdown.
I doubt we'll see any clever tweets today. nope.
he's in the Lincoln room on meds curled up in the fetal position.
wait till he sees what's coming. Twisted Evil





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Post by username on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 18:46

Soleimani assassination was a huge stupid blunder or a bold attempt to start a war.
This is not a decision that could have been taken by Trump himself out of the blue, especially since he was pushing to pull out of Syria and generally from ME. He obviously did not know who Soleimani was and the weak rhetoric after the event is only a poor attempt to minimize the PR damage. Someone must have pushed hard for it and advisers definitely misled Trump on consequences as this was a huge hit on his supporter base which is against war and for return of US troops home.

Something major must have been done since then behind scenes as Iran response was extremely weak and obviously meant to cause no real damage. Russia was suspiciously quiet as well. Quite surprising to see Russia and China less vocal than some NATO members.
I expect important changes at the top of Pentagon, CIA, DoD.
US cannot win a full conventional war against Iran by itself especially if Iran receives AA assistance from Russia and there is nobody in the region to go against them on the ground.
Trump statement today and Khamenei announcements confirm nobody has any intention to further escalate the conflict.
Some further local militia attacks are still to be expected but the response will be limited as well.

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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 18:46

Zambeezi wrote:
The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
Humanity Blows wrote:So, no military action, seems like de-escalation for now.

Both sides are trying to back away and the US is trying to resume business as usual I dare say Iran is trying to ease on the proxy front but they're a wildcard in this at the minute
i see no evidence nor 'gesture' of that.
in fact my impression is that they have said and intend the exact opposite.
it's the only hope for the levant and the sovereigns.
GTFO.

back to the speech...
i've nvr seen trump look so shaken. ever. all confidence gone. arrogance faked. barely.
like he was on the cliff edge of a total breakdown.
I doubt we'll see any clever tweets today. nope.
he's in the Lincoln room on meds curled up in the fetal position.
wait till he sees what's coming. Twisted Evil



I think he got the kidney punch no bully expects and now he doesn't know what to do he probably had a row with staff too other what he wants and expects as opposed to what can be realistically done.

However with what he's done they can now say we held back, I stand by my thoughts earlier that they're waiting for the proxies

The bit that makes me think Iran may be trying to calm the Proxies (it was just a thought no merit to it) is that Iran has just pulled off something no one else has without getting a hard response I respect them more because they took the swing despite what was potentially coming their way, however I've never known them to get too cocky if Proxies were to now launch attacks of similar calibre with no back channels to give warnngs to duck down then ultimately it will come back on Iran.

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Post by Zambeezi on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 18:51

The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
Zambeezi wrote:
The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
Humanity Blows wrote:So, no military action, seems like de-escalation for now.

Both sides are trying to back away and the US is trying to resume business as usual I dare say Iran is trying to ease on the proxy front but they're a wildcard in this at the minute
i see no evidence nor 'gesture' of that.
in fact my impression is that they have said and intend the exact opposite.
it's the only hope for the levant and the sovereigns.
GTFO.

back to the speech...
i've nvr seen trump look so shaken. ever. all confidence gone. arrogance faked. barely.
like he was on the cliff edge of a total breakdown.
I doubt we'll see any clever tweets today. nope.
he's in the Lincoln room on meds curled up in the fetal position.
wait till he sees what's coming. Twisted Evil



I think he got the kidney punch no bully expects
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and now he doesn't know what to do
he probably had a row with Darth Vaderstaff too other what he wants and expects as opposed to what can be realistically done.

However with what he's done they can now say we held back, I stand by my thoughts earlier that they're waiting for the proxies
the world waits!

The bit that makes me think Iran may be trying to calm the Proxies (it was just a thought no merit to it) is that Iran has just pulled off something no one else has without getting a hard response I respect them more because they took the swing despite what was potentially coming their way,
me too
however I've never known them to get too cocky if Proxies were to now launch attacks of similar calibre with no back channels to give warnngs to duck down then ultimately it will come back on Iran.

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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:02

username wrote:Soleimani assassination was a huge stupid blunder or a bold attempt to start a war.
This is not a decision that could have been taken by Trump himself out of the blue, especially since he was pushing to pull out of Syria and generally from ME. He obviously did not know who Soleimani was and the weak rhetoric after the event is only a poor attempt to minimize the PR damage. Someone must have pushed hard for it and advisers definitely misled Trump on consequences as this was a huge hit on his supporter base which is against war and for return of US troops home.

Something major must have been done since then behind scenes as Iran response was extremely weak and obviously meant to cause no real damage. Russia was suspiciously quiet as well. Quite surprising to see Russia and China less vocal than some NATO members.
I expect important changes at the top of Pentagon, CIA, DoD.
US cannot win a full conventional war against Iran by itself especially if Iran receives AA assistance from Russia and there is nobody in the region to go against them on the ground.
Trump statement today and Khamenei announcements confirm nobody has any intention to further escalate the conflict.
Some further local militia attacks are still to be expected but the response will be limited as well.

Militarily the US could wreck the Iranians but when that conflict turns into a guerilla conflict thats when the Conventional army will always lose...

The idea if any strike at all would be to cripple Irans ability to wage war take out command and control comm's etc then push the hired crows in to do the dirty business destabilizing Iran with a Syria type blueprint then the assets that are there would be used more so to secure nuclear sites & so forth, realistically that would be a very difficult thing to do more so politically given that it would require more than what's in theatre currently and would take years to accomplish a dismantlement and destruction of said sites and materials.

Its not something that highly appealing to anyone with a sense of reality and everyone would have to be on board for it to stand a chance of working.

I couldn't see the Russians providing Air defence themselves but maybe more of what they've done with Syria that being said Iran does have a better air defence system than most in the ME and Russia AFAIK would be willing to sell the Iranians S400 upon request
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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:05

Zambeezi wrote:
The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
Zambeezi wrote:
The_Real_Mr_Anderson wrote:
Humanity Blows wrote:So, no military action, seems like de-escalation for now.

Both sides are trying to back away and the US is trying to resume business as usual I dare say Iran is trying to ease on the proxy front but they're a wildcard in this at the minute
i see no evidence nor 'gesture' of that.
in fact my impression is that they have said and intend the exact opposite.
it's the only hope for the levant and the sovereigns.
GTFO.

back to the speech...
i've nvr seen trump look so shaken. ever. all confidence gone. arrogance faked. barely.
like he was on the cliff edge of a total breakdown.
I doubt we'll see any clever tweets today. nope.
he's in the Lincoln room on meds curled up in the fetal position.
wait till he sees what's coming. Twisted Evil



I think he got the kidney punch no bully expects and now he doesn't know what to do he probably had a row with staff too other what he wants and expects as opposed to what can be realistically done.

However with what he's done they can now say we held back, I stand by my thoughts earlier that they're waiting for the proxies

The bit that makes me think Iran may be trying to calm the Proxies (it was just a thought no merit to it) is that Iran has just pulled off something no one else has without getting a hard response I respect them more because they took the swing despite what was potentially coming their way, however I've never known them to get too cocky if Proxies were to now launch attacks of similar calibre with no back channels to give warnngs to duck down then ultimately it will come back on Iran.

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Post by It's over on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:09

Breaking, Sky News Arabia:

Moqtada Al-Sadr calls on the Iraqi armed factions to quench and not carry out military attacks

Al-Sadr says the crisis ended after Trump's speech







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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:12

It's over wrote:Breaking, Sky News Arabia:

Moqtada Al-Sadr calls on the Iraqi armed factions to quench and not carry out military attacks

Al-Sadr says the crisis ended after Trump's speech







there we go
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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:14

https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1214962026805465088?s=20


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Post by It's over on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:35

Prominent #Iraq cleric/politician Muqtada al-Sadr says crisis is over following speeches by #Iran and US leaders, calls on militias not to start any military action.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1214973658181120000




Al-Sadr recommends closing all headquarters of the PMF in Iraq

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsArabia_B/status/1214972319912939520

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Post by Zambeezi on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:42

check out the 'tension' while they hold their breath hoping the staff can prop him up!
wow... (all the other vids cut this part out)

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Post by Zambeezi on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:44

It's over wrote:Prominent #Iraq cleric/politician Muqtada al-Sadr says crisis is over following speeches by #Iran and US leaders, calls on militias not to start any military action.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1214973658181120000




Al-Sadr recommends closing all headquarters of the PMF in Iraq

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsArabia_B/status/1214972319912939520
ha. nope. not 'over' by a LONG shot.
fuckface weasel Sadr has ALWAYS wanted to shut down/disarm the PMF militia(s). always.
ain't.
gonna.
happen.
(ps- it's their ONLY hope against the empire)


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Post by bad sign on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 19:57

Breaking News

@BreakingNews
Replying to @BreakingNews

President Trump calls for European allies to now abandon the Iran nuclear deal, and make a new deal with Iran; says he will ask NATO to "become more involved" in the region, and asserts that "we do not need Middle East oil."

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Post by Zambeezi on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 20:10

bad sign wrote:Breaking News

@BreakingNews
Replying to @BreakingNews

President Trump calls for European allies [victims and targets] to now abandon the Iran nuclear deal [forgive his verbal assaults and sanctions],
and make a new deal with Iran; says he will ask NATO to "become more involved [entangled]" in the region, and asserts that "we do not need Middle East [you can all buy US oil.]"
sure. pig


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Post by The_Real_Mr_Anderson on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 20:13

Zambeezi wrote:
bad sign wrote:Breaking News

@BreakingNews
Replying to @BreakingNews

President Trump calls for European allies [victims and targets] to now abandon the Iran nuclear deal [forgive his verbal assaults and sanctions],
and make a new deal with Iran; says he will ask NATO to "become more involved [entangled]" in the region, and asserts that "we do not need Middle East [you can all buy US oil.]"
sure. pig

He'll sell of US oil and invade Venezuela 😂😂
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Post by Mr Badger on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 20:39

"Round one is over – an initial assessment"

http://thesaker.is/round-one-is-over-an-initial-assessment/

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Post by Talos on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 22:05

Al-Sadr recommends closing all headquarters of the PMF in Iraq

Lol Al Sadr knows the fatah/PMF coalition is his main rival for parliament seats in Iraq
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Post by Mr Badger on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 22:14

Russian Market
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IRAQI MILITARY SAYS TWO KATYUSHA ROCKETS FALL INSIDE BAGHDAD'S GREEN ZONE, NO CASUALTIES -STATEMENT

1:11 pm - 8 Jan 2020


https://twitter.com/russian_market/status/1215018197633687552

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you can already 'block' assholes or trolls etc...
these new options just stifle dissemination and discourage critical thinking (aka 'weighing' opinions)
ah well. it's optional... if you want to stifle your own circulation: go ahead. geek

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Post by Zambeezi on Wed 8 Jan 2020 - 23:15

Prof. Seyed Mohammad Marandi

Nigel Jan 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoMYjaeF1Tc

Grayzone Jan 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASjINUJp9bw

CNN Today Jan 8 (do not miss this interview)

God I WISH i could download this CNN interview.... they haven't and won't ever upload to ytube. Mad
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No need for a "big event" but development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don't play "their" games - don't use "their" rules - don't think in the box of "their" paradigms.
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